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This article discusses the suitability of various tubing materials for radiant heated concrete floor slabs, and choices of heat conducting fluids for radiant floors. Our page top photo shows part of our investigation of wood flooring gaps over a radiant-heat tubing system installed during new construction of a New York home.
When the owners complained about odors traced to the radiant heat tubing the installer tried to "cook" out the volatiles in the tubing by pushing the radiant heat system temperatures higher than normal. Ensuing flooring dryout and gapping became an issue for the new owner. In the photo, each of our pencils marks a gap in the oak strip flooring.
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Our photo at left shows a concrete floor radiant heat system installed in Minneapolis MN in 2009.
What are the Effects, Problems, and Benefits of Choosing Finish Wood Flooring Compared with Ceramic Tile Over a Radiant Heated Floor Slab?
I am considering both ceramic tile and wood as finish floorings over a radiant slab similar to those featured in Solar Age (5/82).
The tile flooring would cost three times as much as the wood flooring. Would the heat from the radiant slab dry out, warp, [or cause ugly gaps between the boards of] the wood floor?
Also, how would the insulating effect of the wood affect the radiant slab's performance?
-- Thomas B. McCormick, III, Berkeley, CA.
Dan Lewis of KLR Engineering, Keene NH ran a computer simulation on a 1500 square foot house with 200 square feet of solar collectors supplying a radiant slab floor.
Adding an R-2 carpet and padding to the floor raised the home's auxiliary heating load by 9 percent or about one million BTUs.
A thin wood floor installed with mastic directly to the concrete slab should have even less of a performance penalty.
The 90 degF to 100 degF temperatures of a radiant heated concrete slab won't harm the wood flooring, but you should check on the temperature range of the adhesive.
[Added comments by DJF]
Be careful about wood floor installation moisture and radiant heat slab operating temperatures
At RADIANT HEAT we describe wood floor damage complaints that we have investigated when wood floors were installed over a radiant floor heating system - in each case it appears that the problem was due either to improper floor installation, such as installing a wood floor at a too-high moisture level, or due to operating the heated floor slab at a higher temperature than recommended by the heating system manufacturer. (See our wood floor photo at page top for an example.)
Be careful about about installing a raised wood floor over a radiant heated slab
To avoid possible wood floor damage over a heated slab, some installers prefer to install a floating wood floor that is not secured directly to the slab, often over a "leveling board" that itself has some insulating value, probably increasing the home's heating load as in the model above.
Worse, installing a wood floor nailed to 1x or thicker sleepers (often 2x4's are used) floating over a radiant slab is likely to significantly increase the floor's insulation properties and reduce the effectiveness of the radiant heated floor slab, regardless of whether the heat is from a solar source or from another heating source such as a boiler.
Our OPINION is that ceramic tile will perform trouble-free over a radiant slab floor and in some installations such as our Green Cabin project discussed at RADIANT HEAT Floor Mistakes to Avoid, solar gain was also possible - of course that wasn't for a basement slab.
Our OPINION is that a wood floor over a radiant heat floor system can also be trouble free provided that the system and the flooring are properly installed. But there are more opportunities for foul-ups.
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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
Question: how will radiant heat over high thermal mass affect the heating system?
(July 5, 2011) Rick K said:
How would installing radiant heating above the insulated conc. slab in a sand bed with brick 'flooring' over the sand bed? This approach would seem to have a lot of thermal mass, but how will that affect the efficiency of the heating system if at all?
Rick I'm not sure I've got a clear picture of the radiant floor design you are discussing. But pertinent may be not just thermal mass but the thermal conductivity between the thermal mass and the heat source and heat destination. Also I'm a little confused about whether we are looking for thermal mass (the concrete slab plus sand plus brick flooring above) vs. radiant heat tubing below a floor.
If we are installing a passive heat system such as passive solar heating in which a brick floor absorbs heat coming through windows, we want good conductivity between the brick surface exposed to sunlight and the concrete slab; I'm not sure sand is adequately conductive (but that's not my expertise);
If we are discussing an active radiant floor heating system we want most of the heat from the heat source tubing to flow up through the brick and into the occupied space; if our radiant tubing is sending heat also down into the insulated slab that system may still work PROVIDED the slab is perfectly well insulated its bottom and sides; what ruined the radiant heat flooring we discuss at
Question: least "toxic" radiant heat flooring
8/28/2014 After spending several hours reading online (and my head feeling like it's going to explode from trying to find and comprehend information I don't really understand) I'm hoping I might get an answer here, as this seems like a good informational site. I have a single car garage that I want to use as a workshop room.
My house is in Colorado, so it's very cold in the winter. I'd like to know the best (and LEAST TOXIC) insulation to put on top of the concrete slab, and then put one of those electric radiant floor heat mats down, only about 10 ft X 12 ft section. Then some sort of non-toxic floor on top of that. Everything everything I've read tonight, I'm wondering about Rockwool boards? Any suggestions? Thanks!
I've thought about this interesting question but don't arrive at a trivial, simple answer. "Toxic" to whom, when? is part of the trouble. Some materials may be toxic to the environment or to workers when manufactured but rather inert when purchased and installed.
Other products may outgas only when new.
And if you under-insulate below the electric radiant floor heat source you risk heating the earth rather than the occupied space.
I like foil faced solid foam insulating boards.
I would check with the manufacturer of the electric radiant heat flooring product for their recommendations.
A thin-set ceramic tile is among the most inert finish floorings you might choose.
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