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    • Stairway rule of thumb. Measure Actual Stairway Total Run Length & Total Rise Height. Stair Calculations by Direct Layout on the Stringer. How to Measure Stair Rise & Run over Uneven Ground. Stairs built over both an uneven hillside & uneven bottom or top landing. Geometrical calculations for rise & run. Calculate the Total Number of Steps, treads, or Risers. Halting Walk Stair Designs. Add Stair Platforms or Landings. Minor Adjustments fit a factory-built stair to the specific stair rise & run
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Calculations you need to build stairs: here we start with simple arithmetic showing how to make stair design calculations. We explain how total elevation change between two levels or floors (rise) and stair length (run) are used to calculate the right measurements when building indoor or exterior stairs to fit the building or the terrain. Details of methods for accurate stairway rise & run measurement are provided for tough cases such as building a stair over steep slopes and irregular surfaces.

We describe how to translate the stair rise and run into a specific number of stair treads and risers that will be uniform and of proper (safe) dimension. We also describe how to design and build low-slope or low angle stairways with special consideration for tread and landing dimensions to avoid halting-walk stairs and other trip hazards.

This article includes example stair building calculations and warns about some "in between" stair tread sizes that may be a trip/fall hazard. We also explain now to include landings and platforms in stair design calculations. Finally, we also explain how to adjust factory-built or pre-fab stairs to the exact stair rise dimension in your installation. Page top stair dimension sketch courtesy of Carson Dunlop Associates.

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Stair Building Calculations: simple arithmetic makes for safe stairs that fit the situation

Theoretical stair design (C) Daniel FriedmanArticle Contents

How do we set the step riser height & tread depth for a very low angle staircase?

Low slope stairs in Girona, Spain (C) Daniel Friedman Question: How do I design an outdoor stair for a low slope long run situation

Perhaps one of the experts here could give advise on this. What are the rules for a low angle staircase? I am planning an exterior (built on grade) staircase on a slope too steep for a ramp.

My rise is 78 in. over 28 ft. and there is additional room for a landing at top and bottom. I am considering 3 ½” risers and 16” treads (using commonly available cement block).

What rules-of-thumb should I follow to build a comfortable walk-able low angle staircase? If there is some formula to the ideal cadence; I would form this in concrete in order to achieve it. I do not want to feel like I am taking “baby steps” or alternately taking a “step-and-a-half” all the way up and down. - Tom 6/23/12

Our photo (above left) illustrates construction of a low-slope stairway located in the "Jewish Quarter" in Girona, Spain. These steps are several hundred years old, are worn, and have a bit of a slope to them.

Reply: Here is a simple approach to calculating the stair rise & run for a low slope stairway - starting rule of thumb

Landscape tie and asphalt exterior stairs (C) Daniel FriedmanGreat question. Bernie Campbalik who taught us carpentry, including stair building, used a rule of thumb that basically makes the run longer when the rise is shorter. I've seen several rules such as the sum of one tread and one riser should always be equal or greater than 17; or two treads plus one riser should add up to around 28 or 29.

The concept is that a low rise stair usually has, just as you suggest, a tread that provides a "longer" walking surface. Up to a point. If we make the rise too short (under 4 inches of rise) it's not a step at all, it's a trip hazard.

Generally we solve the problem of low slope long run stairways by using all platforms - steps that are 36" in length or more in the direction of run of the stairs, or by using a combination of normally sized stair treads (say 11" deep treads with a 6" or 7" rise) along with intermediate stair platforms.

Our exterior stair photo at left illustrates one stair builder's approach to a low slope stairway. He used a combination of asphalt and landscape ties to build these nice looking steps that incorporate several trip hazards. The projection of the wooden tie up about 3/4" above the walking surface of each step threatens to catch the toe of a shoe, leading to a trip or fall.

And there is a naturally-occurring risk factor - wet surface of the steps. On these stairs the wet wooden landscape tie will be more slippery than the asphalt walking surface. Walkers will naturally tend to step on the wooden surface because it forms the leading edge of each step.

And relevant to your question is the "depth" or run of each step in the direction of travel. While generally it's good to use a deeper stair tread (treads less than 11-inches in depth are not recommended), there may be some intermediate depths (or step run) such as around two feet that make for awkward walking and may risk stair falls. A better stair design may involve increasing the rise and lengthening one or more steps into a platform of 36" or more of horizontal walking surface.

And of course long stair runs due to a very tall total rise (more than 12 feet) also is likely to require an intermediate stair platform as well.

Reader Follow-Up:

Dan, Thanks for your response. I now think any rule can at best only make general recommendations for all the low-slope possibilities.
I figured that if I could determine the optimum number of steps to comfortably traverse the distance of the slope of my proposed staircase I would then know the correct number of treads.

So I marked off the landing locations and simply walked up and down the slope while counting the number of steps I took as I did so. I repeated this a few times adjusting my gait somewhat and arrived at an average number.

In this case I took 14 steps to travel the slope which equates to 14 treads - 24” long. Then since the landing counts as one of the treads; I divided the rise by 14 which give me a riser height of 5.57”.

I also counted steps made on level ground over the same distance as the length of the stair and came up with 12 so I think 14 is conservative considering the slope but about right for my needs. I am not in a hurry to build but before I do I would still like to hear a professional opinion or two on this. Another possibility might include a landing midway up thus making all the treads shorter? Your input is appreciated.

Reply: stair design basics: calculating step riser height, step tread depth, total rise, total run, intermediate platform lengths

Tom,

I think a sketch of what you're up to would be helpful - if you want to send one use the CONTACT US link at page top/bottom. Meanwhile I'll provide my own versions, not to scale, of your stair dimension proposal and an alternative that you might want to consider and then adjust to your taste. Based on the figures you provided we describe for other readers the basics of stair design calculations that consider total rise, total run, and step riser height and step tread depth.

How to Measure the Actual Stairway Total Run Length & Total Rise Height

Definition of stairway run: the run of a stairway is the total horizontal distance traveled by a walker using the stairs, from the first riser to the last riser.

Definition of stairway rise: the rise of a stairway is the total vertical height of a stairway between the walking surface just before the first stairway tread or step up and the beginning of the horizontal walking surface reached at the top of the stairs.

Direct Measurement of Rise & Run When Building Stairs

Theoretical stair design (C) Daniel Friedman

Our first illustration at left shows an example rise and run for a simple uniform-tread depth and riser height stairway. It's easy to measure the horizontal run and vertical rise for a stairway built between two parallel and flat surfaces - such as inside a building between two floors.

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Simply extend a measuring tape down through the stairway opening in the upper floor and measure the distance between the surface of the upper floor or level and the surface of the lower floor or level. That will be the total rise.

But measuring the rise and run between two elevations that are not parallel and not flat, such as for an exterior stairway built over sloping ground can be more difficult (you cannot measure the vertical distance directly as we did above). If you're not careful you will make a measurement error, leading to miscalculations among total rise, run, and step and riser dimensions.

Stair Calculations by Direct Layout on the Stringer

Theoretical stair design (C) Daniel Friedman

What many stair builders do is simply lay a (hopefully straight) stair stringer between the two elevations, measure the actual rise and run distances, and lay-out the stair dimensions on the fly by measuring and marking along the side surface of the stringer.

The approach of placing a stringer along the desired stair slope, measuring and marking layout immediately on the stringer works acceptably if terrain shape permits and if you are careful with stair layout.

The direct stairway layout marking along the stair stringer is easy if we are building interior stairs between floors (sketch at left) or exterior stairs down a concave slope (sketch below left) but this approach won't handle a convex slope (below right) unless we first excavate the hillside or raise the entire stair design and assembly to span above the high point on the slope.


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How to Measure Stair Rise & Run over Uneven Ground

Theoretical stair design (C) Daniel FriedmanHowever some terrain shapes are irregular enough or are humped so that you cannot just take off measurements directly. It's better to make an accurate and direct measurement of the stairway run and rise so that your calculated tread depths and riser heights will be proper and uniform.


Many builders use a transit to make accurate angle and distance measurements.

Certainly designing and building stairs with uniform tread depth and riser height over rough ground like that in our photo (left) can be a serious challenge.

Here we provide an alternative crude but effective approach to stair rise and run measurement using string, plumb line, and level, along with a stick or board (or two of them) of sufficient length.

Basically we project a horizontal line out from the upper elevation over the landing spot for the stairway, using that line to measure both stair run and stair rise accurately.
Theoretical stair design (C) Daniel Friedman

If the horizontal run distance is small, you can get by with straight lumber tacked in place temporarily to permit measurement of horizontal run projection and vertical rise. Typically we use our stringer 2x lumber (before it has been cut to length) for this purpose since by definition the diagonal stringer will be longer than the horizontal stair run.

This approach works to measure and design a stairway over any irregular surface.

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Make certain that the horizontal boards are straight and that they are held level and that your vertical board, useful for holding up the outer end of that upper horizontal member is also vertical.

Take off the rise and run measurements as we show in the sketch.

For longer distances than the length of boards you have on hand, you will do fine with string to set out the horizontal distance, a vertical pole, and a plumb line and measuring tape.

Below, for completeness but in small font, we include how to obtain stair rise and run lengths using sine and cosine tables - not a process we are seriously recommending.

Stairs built over both an uneven hillside & uneven bottom or top landing

Exterior stairs constructed by D Friedman & Art Cady (C) Daniel Friedman


Our photo shows a stairway during construction by the author & an associate (Arthur Cady). We faced a double difficulty of constructing a (replacement) exterior stairway over a rough hillside and stairs that had to land on a sloping surface.

By supporting the stringer above the hillside we bypassed the irregularities of the slope itself,but as you can see from the photo, because we had to land on a sloping surface the two stringers could not be identical, yet they had to line up properly for the treads to be level.

Using the longer (downhill) stringer as the mater pattern we measured and laid out the tread positions along the stringer surface, then aligned the two stringer tops and mapped the master layout onto the inner side of the uphill, shorter stringer. The treads were placed between the stringers, supported by both cleats and end-nailing through the stringers from outside.

Best design would have insisted on a level landing platform at the stair bottom but in the real world we can't always meet that criteria. In this case the stairs had to land on a narrow driveway. Had we installed a level landing platform the drive would have become unusable by the client's vehicles. The result is a first step with uneven riser height depending on where you enter the stairway.

The Mathematical Approach to Building Stairs Spanning Uneven Ground

The geometry approach to calculating stair rise and run over rough terrain when you have only two measurements works correctly provided you know enough triangular geometry to convert between your sloped-line measurement (the hypotenuse of the triangle) and the triangle's other sides that form the rise & run dimensions. Using a calculator and it's square root function, and the most basic knowledge of geometry is not enough - we also need a table of sine and cosine values, functions readily found these days online. [45]

Theoretical stair design (C) Daniel Friedman

a2 =b2 +c2 - the square of the length of the hypotenuse (a) equals the squares of the lengths of the opposite sides of a right triangle (b) and (c).

In a geometry or trigonometry text you'll see that when we refer to the angle ab we mean the angle formed at the intersection of lines a and b, or in this case the lower left angle in our sketch.

And so the three angles formed by the triangle's sides are ab, bc, and ac.

Knowing that the triangle abc will always include a 90 degree right angle ( i.e. this is always a "right triangle"- angle bc in our sketch) allows use of sine and cosine tables to obtain the lengths of the two unknown sides b and c in the sketch.

Geometry teaches that if we know three pieces of data about a right triangle (one side length and two angles, or two side lengths and one angle) we can obtain all of the other data about a triangle - all of its angles, and the actual lengths of all of its sides.

sin of angle ab = (length of the opposite side c / the triangle's hypotenuse a) = a / c

cos of angle ab = (length of the adjacent side b / the triangle's hypotenuse a) = b / a

Carpenter's square (C) Daniel FriedmanBut the rub is that we need to know at least two of the angles on this triangle. We know bc is always 90 degrees.

On the ground we'd have to measure either angle ab or angle ac. You can do this using a transit, a protractor or other angle measuring tool either by placing your angular measuring tool on the sloped surface of the stringer side a, or by actually measuring the angle formed between side a and a horizontal or level surface.

Our carpenter's square at left is one such tool, though there are some neat level tools that, placed on a slope, will simply give you the angle directly as a readout.

Example: if our stairs are to run from the two extreme ends of the 2x stringer we illustrate at above right, and if that length (after cutting to "fit" the hill and desired stair run) measured 100 inches exactly, using just that known length of the hypotenuse of the triangle we would obtain the key measurements of stair rise c and stairway run b by first converting all measurements to inches and then using a table of sine and cosine values. Suppose we measure angle ab (sketch above) at 30 degrees.

sin of angle ab = (length of the opposite side c / the triangle's hypotenuse a) = a / c = 100 / c

cos of angle ab = (length of the adjacent side b / the triangle's hypotenuse a) = b / a = b / 100

Reading from sine and cosine tables, we'll find that side c (rise) = 50" and that side b (run) = 86.6"

If you don't think this whole sine-cosine process is absolutely horrible for field use in building a set of stairs then we're not on the same planet.

Using the 6 8 10 rule for squares & right angles is helpful in framing both decks & stairs

We can and often do use this basic right triangle function a2 =b2 +c2 in deck building to be sure that we are placing the deck sides at right angles to the building by using the 6-8-10 rule to make sure that a floor or deck is square or at right angles to a building wall.

Details about how to use the 6-8-10 rule to assure two framing members are at right angles to one another are
at FRAMING TRIANGLES & CALCULATIONS.

For a different and interesting use of triangles and plane geometry to convert stair slope in degrees to tread depth and riser height
see Calculate stair tread depth or riser height from stairway slope in degrees.

Theoretical stair design before fitting to the actual data - how to calculate the number of uniform stair treads

Back to Tom's exterior low-slope stair design

A consistent riser height of 5.57" would be entirely in spec if you can achieve that for all of the risers, presuming we make all of the steps identical in tread depth - which is SOP. But the landing, if its walking surface is at ground level, doesn't count as a riser. It's a step or tread (really a platform) but not a riser. Let's compare your 14 steps of 5.57" rise and 24" run to your data.

  • Total Rise of proposed stair: 14 risers x 5.57 = 78" - that's ok
  • Total Run of proposed stair: 28 ft x 12? /ft = 336". 336" / 24" = 14 steps - that's ok except for a possible tread depth issue that we discuss next.

Rules for Step Height, Step Tread Dimensions, & Platforms in a Stairway

For details of common building code specifications for allowable stair landing dimensions and step riser and tread dimensions see:

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Add Steps & Platforms or Landings or use a Stairway of All Platforms to Avoid a "Halting Walk" Stairway

Low slope exterior stairway at Mohammed V Mosque, Casablanca Morocco (C) Daniel Friedman

I'd like to propose an alternative design that increases the number of stair steps, uses a smaller rise, and adds some longer walking platforms to avoid what I call those "halting walk stairs" that we often see. I must emphasize that this is my opinion. Your local building official has the final word on accepting your stair design.

Re-stating the problem from a stair design basics view, when we are going to custom-build stairs to carry people between two elevations, we divide the total rise from level 1 up to level 2 by a number of risers that will give us a standard riser height that is within standards - preferably between 4" and 7" of rise.

In our photo you can see an implementation of a stairway on a very low slope rise at the Mohammed V. Mosque in Casablanca, Morocco. The builders made each step a long walking surface, more than 36-inches in this case, and they also provided a visual cue of the location of each step by using a light colored stone riser. In these Moroccan stairs the risers were uniform in height and each riser was very close to 10 cm (about 4" U.S.).

Find the Total Rise, Run, & Slope of Your Particular Stairway

Using Tom's data:

  • Rise in inches = 78"
  • Run in inches = 28ft x 12"/ft = 336"
  • And just for fun, 78" / 336" = 0.232 or about a 23% grade or slope

Calculate the Total Number of Steps up or Risers Necessary to Achieve the Total Vertical Rise

If we used the minimum rise/step of 4" then 78 / 4 = 19.5 - we'd have to go to 19 steps (since we can't build a fraction of a step and since we're not going with 20 steps which would have a slightly short rise of 3.9" though the local code official might accept that)

  • 78" total rise / 19 steps = 4.1" riser height

Really this means we need 19 steps up or 19 risers to make up the vertical rise - the total change in grade.

Watch out: we still have to check the riser height and actual number of steps against the horizontal run space as follows.

Calculate the Step Tread Depth Required to Achieve the Total Horizontal Run

For most indoor and many outdoor steps and stairs we simply choose a standard tread width (say 11") and we allow the number of steps to determine the total horizontal run of the stair case. Then we "fit" that stair into the building design plan, or outdoors we let the stairs end where they may, provided there is adequate entry/exit room at the stair top and bottom.

But for our example low-slope outdoor stair situation, the stairs have to climb a low slope, traversing extra distance. Here is how we solved that problem.

Check that the total horizontal run of the stairs fits the space

Theoretical stair design (C) Daniel Friedman

Let's use an 11-inch deep tread to make nice stairs. Actually I don't like an 11-inch deep tread with such a short rise but it's code compliant. [Click any of our images to see an enlarged view.]

  • 19 steps x 11 inches per step = 209" - far short of your 336" run.

The total rise needed for the stairs is in conflict with the total run needed for the stairs.

In other words, you can't keep stair riser height within an acceptable range and traverse the horizontal run distance without deepening the stair treads.

This means you're going to make your stair treads deeper, but unfortunately, keeping riser height to within acceptable bounds and making the stair run match the required length, the result may be an awkward halting-walk stairway.

Definition of a Halting-Walk Stairway

In the absence of a better term, we've coined halting walk stairs to describe a (usually low slope or shallow angle) stairway whose individual tread depth is deeper than common, too deep for passage by a single stride or step, but too shallow to provide a comfortable two or more stride or step progress up or down the stairway.

Walking up or down a halting-walk stairway forces the user either to extend his/her stride to an uncomfortable length to reach the end of the tread, or s/he has to take an uncomfortably abbreviated final stride to get to the end of the tread. (See our little stick man taking halting-walk steps down the stairs in our sketch just below).

Either of these strides can result in an awkward placement of the foot, possibly not securely behind the tread nose, and in our opinion these stairways have an increased risk of trips and falls.

Why Halting Walk Stair Designs can be a Bit Awkward

Theoretical stair design (C) Daniel Friedman


So yes you can build the low slope stair with 14 steps each 24" deep with 5.57" rise. But I'm not sure that 24" of step depth is the most comfortable stairway. The 24" tread depth is long enough to safely step down onto, but in normal human walking gait the next walking stride is awkward.

The second stride has to be shortened to stop at the end of the 24" run of the step tread in order to then step down with a third stride. If you walk up and down stairs like these it can be annoying, even though they look great.

What happens when people walk down 24" stair treads is that because the tread depth is too short to take that extra halting step some walkers try to step all the way to the tread nose with their descending foot from the stair above. For some, in my view this can lead to a fall.

Adding Stair Platforms to the Stair Calculation to Fix Halting-Walk Stairs

We need to make up (336-209 = 127) inches of run in the stairway. How do we get there while keeping stair riser height within standard recommendations?

Let's use some intermediate platforms instead of stair treads.

If we make the depth (in direction of travel) of each platform 36" we'd need 127 / 36 = 3.5 platforms. We have to solve this problem by finding a balance between the number of individual steps (at some width for which we started with 11" depth). We can make the platforms longer (deeper) in the direction of travel or we can make the stair treads deeper.

For this illustration we'll take the easy way out and make the platforms long enough (they are allowed to be longer than 36") to use up that missing 127" by simply dividing 127 by 3. (We don't go in the other direction, dividing 127 by 4 because then the platforms would be 31.5" = less than 36" in the direction of travel).

127" of additional run distance / 3 platforms = 42.3 inches in length (or "depth) in the direction of travel on the stairs.

So we need to change 3 of our 19 "steps" into platforms that are 42.3 + 11" = 53.3" in the direction of travel of the stairs. There are other ways to solve this problem depending on terrain, I've just picked this one. At an actual site we'd adjust the plan to best fit the site terrain and owner's aesthetic wishes.

If you like we can increase the riser height to eliminate a few of the individual 11-inch run steps, then recalculating the whole stair design - that would be fine as long as the steps don't get too tall, or you can decrease the riser height in a set of stairs to add steps as long as the steps don't go below a 4" rise.

Reducing the number of steps increases the individual rise for each of the remaining steps accordingly. For example if we eliminate three of our 4" rise steps then that (3 x 4"=12) 12-inches of rise has to be spread over the remaining (19 - 3 = 16) sixteen steps.

78" total rise / 16 steps = 4.875" riser height or if we eliminate 5 steps (19-5 = 14) we are back at 78" / 14 = 5/57" rise per step - which was your proposal. But if we keep the individual step tread depth at 11 inches then those intermediate platforms will have to get longer. I'll leave that calculation for the interested student to solve.

Final Stair Plan Calculations of rise & run & platform dimensions

To meet the rise and run you specified, in one option we can build a stair that includes

  • 19 total steps each of which has a 4.1 " rise made up of
    • 16 steps, each having 11" of run
    • 3 platforms each having 53.3" of run

Or you could change the number of steps and platforms around to suit the terrain by making new calculations using my example.

There are two approaches I've seen to the low rise step problem.

If we make a "step" or more than one step if necessary, into a platform that is 36" long, we can comply even with strict code interpretations (since the shortest platform length in the direction of stair movement is 36").

  • Concentrate the rise in one stair set and finish the run with multiple platforms: So depending on site terrain and how much digging we can tolerate, we concentrate the rise in one or two areas and make transition platforms between them.
  • There is no concentrated rise so use mostly platforms and just a few transition stairs. Alternatively if space allows, or where the slope you are ascending is uniform, you can have a combination of just a few normal steps (4" rise or higher) and a longer series of platform steps.

An Actual Stair Design Fits the Number Stair Steps & Platforms & the Run or Depth of Each to the Total Rise & Run Data

Stair Design Tip: Actually if I were building these outdoor stairs I'd probably change the topmost step in our sketch below also a 4th platform, not adding any more rise but set into the ground at grade level to provide a stair entry platform - it really depends on what the stairs are rising "to" - grass, existing sidewalk, or what?

Stair design to meet specific rise & run on a low slope grade (C) Daniel Friedman

Stair Design Tip: We can make the top platform any length desirable because its surface has reached the upper level grade - extending it beyond that point does not count as extending the run of the stairs.

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Stair Design Tip: We needed sixteen normal steps 11" deep x 4.1 rise, divided into three groups between platforms and landings. It's natural to think of groups of 5, 5, and six steps. But where should we put that extra or sixth step? I put it in the lowest set of steps in the plan (see sketch above) on the (OPINION) theory that longer runs of steps present a greater risk of falling - so let's put the greater risk of a fall closest to the end of the stairwell where the extent of a fall would be minimized. (f the stairs are properly designed and built this extra risk is probably too small to quantify.)

Watch out: As I know you realize since you asked the question, the trip and fall hazard to avoid is a sort of "mini step" that is just less than 4" in riser height but lacks sufficient run to avoid tripping. I figure if the natural stride of a person using such mini steps puts her foot landing right on the edge or nose of a step below (assuming descending), that's a serious fall hazard. Especially in the dark.

Reader Follow-up

Stairway design sketch (C) InspectApedia & Tom S.Your picture of the railroad tie staircase is similar to the staircase I have lived with for over 10 years and I agree with you on all the problems with this design. Now that the ties are rotting it is time for me to correct this.

You recommend a series of platforms as steps.

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The question still remains: “Is there an established method to design the size of the steps?” I ask because I truly dislike the 36” deep platforms of my existing staircase.

It simply feels unnatural to take a full-step and then a half-step on every tread. I believe the platform needs to be either longer than 36 inches (in order to take 2 full steps) or shorter; a longer platform doesn't’t work in my case. I’ve worn a path in the lawn alongside these awkward stairs, because that is actually the easier route.

But anyhow, that experience along with your last explanation gives me a better understanding of the “halting-walk” issue. I was hoping to find some established guidelines to go by but they all seem to cover conventional staircases only.

This staircase of mine is built outdoors at grade and being at a low-angle the usual staircase design rules don’t fit here. On the plus side, I am not too confined by the measurements as is often found indoors. I am no engineer but I believe the solution is to determine an ideal for the horizontal distance covered with one footstep; then use that dimension for the tread depth.

There are many possible ways to cut this up into individual steps; the question is what tread dimensions will allow me to use normal footsteps and avoid the awkward half-steps, especially after the rise is put into the mix. Personal preference will influence this but I have to consider all potential users.

Like you pointed out, the dimensions should allow the users to take consistent steps and not be forced to alter their stride by stretching out or cutting short in order to meet the next step in succession. I experimented with this, by drawing several series of lines on flat ground to indicate the stair nose at different intervals (20, 22, 24 inches etc). Then I paced over these marks and tried to determine which set felt the most natural to cross.

I realize the stride length of each user won’t be identical; even an individual will alter their stride length, depending on if they are traveling up / down or carrying a load.

Meanwhile I happened to find an existing staircase with 28” treads; after trying it out I knew my guesswork was getting close. I finally settled on a 27” tread depth. Then knowing the size and number of treads; it was possible to work out the riser height. This riser height works out to 5 5/8”.

Additionally the treads and center landing are sloped to promote drainage (1”rise in the length of each tread). Even with this slope added to the riser, the riser height is still 1 inch below the 7¾” maximum. This slope accumulates and reduces the overall number of treads and risers required.

You mentioned the most strict code interpretation limits the shortest platform length in the direction of stair movement to 36". That my steps could really be considered platforms is not a great concern to me. I’ve seen that code officials avoid giving design advice but will inform you when you are wrong. A “common-sense” design approach may be at odds with common-knowledge so I would appreciate any input on this. Perhaps there is someone out there who has built a hundred of these that could throw light on this subject.

Please see the accompanying drawing and comment. I’ve added more details because they all influence the design.

  • At the top landing there is a 90 degree turn leading to a short conventional staircase leading to a wood deck.
  • I added a center landing because of a 45 degree change in direction of the staircase.

- Tom S. 9/29/2012

Reply:

Once we make low slope (low angle) stairway treads deep enough (longer in your parlance) to avoid the halting walk problem I'm not sure there is a perfect tread depth for the reason you noted as well - horizontal stride varies enormously among individuals, especially when we add consideration for children, disabled or elderly (CDE my term) users.

But I think the issue of total length (depth) of your longer low angle stairway treads and the multiple strides that may have to shorten or stretch at the last horizontal stride is less of a worry than what I chose to call a halting walk stairway on which every step up or down is awkward. My reasoning is that once a stair tread has been made long enough, adjustment of the final stride to reach the end of the individual tread is not so awkward because the user has adequate total space to adjust his/her walking stride to a comfortable distance.

You will recall the 11 inches (279 mm) minimum for standard stairway tread depth.

We could theorize about just what constitutes an "undersized" or halting-walk stair tread depth for deeper tread but not deep-enough tread stairway. But because of the CDE problem I haven't figured out how to describe that minimum "too short" (or too shallow) trip-prone halting walk stair tread found on some low angle or low slope stairs whose tread depth already exceeds 11 inches.

Maximum stair slope

As a side note, stair codes talk about slope chiefly when discussing how much out of level a tread may be from front to rear or from side to side to avoid a slip and fall hazard.

1995 CABO 314.2 allows a maximum 2% slope on stair treads. The 1:48 (2%) max. will also comply with the accessibility requirements of ICC/ANSI A117.1-1998. I also agree that UBC 1003.3.3.5 applies.

2000 IBC 1003.3.3.5.1 - "The walking surface of treads and landings of a stairway shall not be sloped steeper than one unit vertical in 48 units horizontal in any direction."

2000 IBC 1003.3.3.5.2 - "Outdoor stairways and outdoor approaches to stairways shall be designed so that water will not accumulate on walking surfaces."

28 CFR Part 36 - 4.9.6 - "Outdoor stairs and their approaches shall be designed so that water will not accumulate on walking surfaces."

1998 ADAAG - 4.9.6 - same as above.

CC/ANSI A117.1-1998 - 504.7 - "Outdoor stairs and outdoor approaches to stairs shall be designed so that water will not accumulate on walking surfaces."

But the maximum stair slope for the overall stairway for stairs used as a public passageway between levels is also implicit in the maximum step riser height - typically 8" or in some codes such as New York, 8.25" maximum riser height.

Why use Intermediate Platforms to Extend Stairway Run

To my taste, a low slope stair on which every deep (long or say two or more stride distance) step makes me adjust my last stride by having to shorten or lengthen that stride can also be unpleasant if not as trippy as a halting-walk stair.

One can therefore build a stairway with multiple successive deep (long, multiple-stride) steps and treads (your thought-out design) or if it fits the required run distance, some may like my design of a stair with multiple runs of more standard individual treads (of more typical rise and depth) separated by one or more long (deep) platforms to add the total run length needed for a low slope stairway.

Your idea of using a platform to handle angles or turns is a very good practice that has the added feature of avoiding both the trippiness and the added construction trouble of angled steps and treads.

Together we invite comments and opinions from other stair builders.

How to Adjust Pre-Fab or Existing Stairs to Fit

Question: Using pre-fab stairs - Is there an exception to the riser height variation for the very first step of the staircase?

Is there an exception to the riser height variation for the very first step of the staircase? Let me attempt to clarify the question. I have a deck (exterior porch) for which the distance from the top of the deck to the slab which forms the footing for the set of stairs is just shy of the 5 steps within a pre-fabricated 5 step stair stringer which can be purchased at a Home Depot or Lowes, for example.

If I attach the pre-made stringer from the deck to the slab, ensuring that the top of the deck to the next stair down is the same height as the rest, then the riser height from the slab to the first stair is greater than a 3/8' variation from the rest of the riser heights by 1/8th of an inch (ie. it's 1/2 inch shorter than the rest of the stairs - I actually need to remove a half inch from the bottom most stair of the stringer to fit). If this is a violation of code, than it means I need to cut my own customer stringer. Just verifying. Any feedback is appreciated. - Dan

Reply: no stair step riser height variation greater than 0.375 inches is allowed

Dan,

There is no exception for individual stair steps, first, bottom, top, or other. A difference in riser height can be a serious trip hazard at any location on a stairway.

Quoting from the article text above on stair and step height regularity and the amount of variation in stair step riser height that is allowed (presumably to avoid a trip hazard)

"Stair risers of uneven height - no variation greater than 0.375 inches is allowed"

How to Make Minor Adjustments to fit a factory-built stair to the specific overall stair rise

As I read your note, you have just a 1/2" error to make up between the total elevation difference between the deck surface and the ground surface if you use a pre-fabricated stair way.

If you can split the adjustment between the top and bottom stair risers by trimming the stringer top and bottom, you'll have just 1/4" or 0.25" of riser height variation (one at stair top and one at stair bottom) - thus minimizing the trip hazard risk of the uneven risers and the variation will be within standards.

Watch out: be sure to measure the height difference (deck surface to ground surface) at a projected point along a horizontal line from the edge of the deck out to the location, in horizontal distance, of the front edge of the nose of the very first or lowest step of the stairway. That will avoid any error in calculating total stairway height due to any slope in the actual ground surface.

If you need a greater adjustment in the stair height between the ground surface and the deck surface in order to avoid having to re-cut a whole new pair of stair stringers, sometimes that can be accommodated by changing the height of the surface of the concrete or other masonry platform that many building departments and local codes require be placed as a landing at the bottom of the stairs.

Question: how do I calculate the stair run length for these measurements?

What is the run length needed for a rise of 108" using an 11" tread depth and 8" step rise - A.K. Debbie 11/24/2012

Reply:

Debbie,

It's important to get comfortable with the basic math in stair calculations, and it's not too hard.

If we have to climb up 108" in height and we are going to make each step 8" tall (riser height is 8") we just divide 108 / 8 = 13.5 - so we'd need 13 1/2 steps - which is not quite acceptable as we need to end with an even number of steps. So I would adjust the rise until the numbers came out more nicely.

Since an 8-inch step riser height is a bit too high for safe comfortable stairway use anyway, instead of trying a still taller step to calculate the number of steps needed, I tried smaller stair rises.

I chose a sequence of numbers (7.5", 7.25", 7.125") dividing each of these into the total rise we need (108") to see how close to an exact number of steps we could achieve.

I noticed that if I set our riser height to 7.125" (about 7 1/8") we will use an even number of risers (15). Actually it's 15.1 but once we get our riser height close to exact we can make small adjustments of say 1/8" or less in the actual riser height for individual steps to make the stairway total rise come out exactly right.

Watch out: too much variation between individual step riser heights is a trip hazard. Most codes allow up to 1/4". I find that if we keep variation to 1/8" in step riser heights nobody will notice, nor be uncomfortable.

Now with 15 risers, if I make the individual tread depth (that's the horizontal tread run distance) 11 inches, our stairway will have a run of 15 x 11 = 165" in length.

I'd check to be sure that we had proper head clearance for the stairwell and that a run of 165" doesn't run into a horizontal distance or space problem before framing the stairs.

Question: how can I calculate stair tread rise & depth from stair slope measured in degrees?

How to convert a stair aingle to rise & run using tangent (C) Daniel FriedmanStairway at 38 degrees: what is the rise and foot? - George Tubb

Reply:

George we're back to plane geometry.

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You are asking the rise and "run" of the treads. There is no single answer, since we could choose different tread depths or "runs" that would give different tread rises or heights. E.g. we could make the stairs "one giant step" or "three little steps".

But to stay within reason we chose a stair tread depth (step run length) of 10" in the equation above to obtain an individual step rise of 7.8". That is, on a 38 degree sloped stairway, we will ascend 7.8" in height for every 10 inches of horizontal distance traveled.

Complete details about converting slope or angle to stair rise & run along with other neat framing and building tricks using triangles and geometry are found
at FRAMING TRIANGLES & CALCULATIONS. And for a special use of right triangles to square up building framing,
also
see Use the 6-8-10 Rule detailed explanation and examples for framing squarely and at right angles

 

 

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