Heating zone too cool, weak heat diagnosis & repair: if your heating baseboard or radiator gets warm but not warm enough to heat the occupied space the problem might be the circulator, the boiler controls, or even the original zone installation piping, sizing, or control valves.
Heating zone pipes that are too small, clogged, blocked, can also cause weak heat delivery. Here we diagnose the trouble with cool heating baseboards or radiators.
This article series describes how to diagnose & fix circulator pump problems on hot water or hydronic heating systems.
Green links show where you are. © Copyright 2015 InspectApedia.com, All Rights Reserved.
(Feb 2, 2013) Gerry said:
When my fan comes on, the boiler temp gauge is showing 180. Right by the gauge is a limit control (clamped onto the pipe) which is set at 180. The temp control on the boiler is at 180. I have no diff control. It is a 11 yr old Weil Mclain boiler with a coil in the duct work.
Which limit control is the hi and which is the low one? When the fan comes on, there is no circulation of hot water through the pipe into the coil. It is warm but slowly cools.
As soon as the burner comes on, the gauge shows 160. and hot water starts circulating. I did have a service person put a new pressure gauge on, he then set the temp gauge on the boiler at about 210, and left the one on the pipe at 180, then he put the pressure up to around 24 psi. It was originally at 15.
What should the limit controls be set at and which one is which? The fan runs blowing cool air until the burner starts, then there is heat. I'm going crazy trying to figure this out. Help!!!!
Gerry, if the fan convector you describe is not receiving hot water indeed it'll just blow cool air. Setting the heating boiler HI LIMIT up to 210, as your service tech tried, sounds like a band-aid approach that's unreliable and risks dumping the pressure-relief valve. S/he may have been trying to force hot water through the system hoping that air bleeders and vents will allow self-correction of an air bound system.
Check for a fully or partly air-bound heating system zone piping or radiator or convector
f the circulator pump is running but hot water is not moving through the piping you need to check the diagnostics at AIR-BOUND HEATING SYSTEMS.
Check the position of heating zone control valves
Watch out: in both a multiple heating zone system that uses multiple circulators and in systems that use individual zone valves and a single circulator there are often control valves before and after the circulator pump (or zone valves). Check the position of these valves.
In a multiple zone heating system it is usually the case that some heating zone piping runs are longer than others, or some zones are more distant from the boiler than others.
When multiple zones are calling for heat at the same time, some zones may be too hot or may heat up quickly while other zones are too cool or heat up too slowly.
The heating technician may fine tune the delivery of heat by partly closing the control valve for a short or close heating zone to give more hot water to the more distant or larger heating zone.
In our photo (left) you can see that the top-most heating zone control valve is in the half-closed position while the two lower zones are in the fully-open position (handle parallel to the direction of the piping).
If a heating zone circulator appears to be working and/or the a zone valve is open and the system is not air bound, the problem could be that someone has closed or partly closed one of the control valves - a step usually taken to better balance heat distribution when multiple heating zones are all calling for heat at once.
Baseboards or radiators not hot enough: weak circulator pumps?
Can a poorly functioning circulator pump cause an insufficient heat supply? I have a tenant who can't get his apartment to heat up to where he's setting his thermostat.
For example, we currently have his thermostat set at 72 degrees & it's only 64 in the apartment & the problem gets worse the colder it is outside.
I had a plumber do a heat loss calculation & there is enough baseboard to heat the space sufficiently. We checked the fins on the baseboards & they are in good, clean condition.
We also replaced the thermostat today just to see what would happen & that hasn't helped either. Any other advice or suggestions? Thank you!
(Jan 26, 2014) Heidi said:
The heat coming from our baseboards is not enough and the boiler goes off even thought the temperature is nowhere near the thermostat set point.
The temperature of the water returning to the boiler is 150, even when the aquastat is set to 220. I am trying to tell if this is a pump problem or an aquastat problem. If the water coming from the valve below the pump is 150 degrees (despite much higher aquastat setting), could the problem still be the pump? The circulator pump feels hot, and there is no visible damage. The pipe at the outlet side of the pump is as hot at the inlet side. Thanks!
(Sept 10, 2011) Melissa Paige Leigh said:
I have repalced the well assembly and relief valve in my hot water tank. Digital stat turns in, kicks burner on then burner shuts off and does not heat water. Any idean what the problem could be.. I bled the burner and ran hot water faucets to ourge any air, oil tank is 3/4 full . Have Taco circulator on supply to hot water tank.
Reply: Quick Summary of where to start if heating baseboards or radiators are not hot enough
But I make this exception: if the circulator pump is damaged or its relay is not kicking on the pump, the thermostat would call for heat, the boiler would heat up, but as the circulator is idle, no hot water would circulate into the occupied space. In that situation the burner would indeed turn off when the boiler reached its HI LIMIT setting.
Certainly; if the circulator pump is not actually circulating hot water through the heating zone then the zone may still get some heat - by natural convection (hot water rises in the pipes) - but much less than if the circulator were running.
I'm betting that those pipes are tepid and if you feel along them you'll get to an area where they are downright cold.
If that's the case then the system is probably air-bound. Your plumber or heating tech will need to confirm that theory and then purge air from the system.
You need to check the diagnostics
What you pose makes some sense to me except that in my experience circulator pumps usually either move water or they don't, excepting further that some circulator pump models provide for variable circulation speeds. When I hear that heat is inadequate and that people are replacing the thermostat, that sounds as if we're shooting in the dark.
Your system might be partly air-bound. In some hot water piping systems air can lurk along horizontal piping runs occupying part of the volume of the pipe interior without totally blocking hot water flow. A result would be reduced hot water flow volume and cooler radiators or baseboards.
this is a pretty interesting question. We'd like to know *why* the baseboards don't seem as hot as you want. Usually the problem is a reduced water flow-rate. Slower flowing water (say from a partly-shut valve) means that the room is losing heat fast enough that the baseboards just don't give enough heat to keep up;
Other less common causes: long heating pipe runs through un-heated spaces, damaged circulator impeller, or improperly set heating controls, or thermostat.
I would start by taking a close look at as much of the piping as you can follow by eye and hand. Start at the boiler, follow hot water out of the boiler through the zone valve (if one is installed) or circulator (though we prefer to see the circ on the return side not the supply side of the pipe loop).
Look for a manual valve (a handle or gate valve on the heating pipe) that regulates flow, or look for a little flow control valve and see if it is partly shut. Some HVAC manufacturers call these flow-balancing valves - harder to spot than a valve with a handle, you'll see a fitting on the zone piping (usually near the boiler) with a flat-blade screwdriver slot. If the slot is turned parallel to the pipe the valve is wide open. But if it's at an angle it's partly shut. If it's at right angles to the pipe it's fully closed.
I'll find a photo of this device, post it online and add a comment here pointing to the image.
Continue reading at CIRCULATOR OPERATION CHECKS or select a topic from the More Reading links shown below.
Suggested citation for this web page
Green link shows where you are in this article series.
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
No FAQs have been posted for this page. Try the search box below or CONTACT US by email if you cannot find the answer you need at InspectApedia.
Use the "Click to Show or Hide FAQs" link just above to see recently-posted questions, comments, replies, try the search box just below, or if you prefer, post a question or comment in the Comments box below and we will respond promptly.
Search the InspectApedia website
HTML Comment Box is loading comments...
Technical Reviewers & References