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Here we explain the various types of manual and automatic water feeder valves used on steam heating boilers, including when and how to add makeup water to a boiler. Green links show where you are. © Copyright 2013 InspectAPedia.com, All Rights Reserved. Author Daniel Friedman. Steam Boiler Water Feeder Valves, Automatic & ManualIf your heating system is hot water, not steam, see Water Feeder Valves, Hydronic Boiler. If you don't know what kind of heat your building uses, we explain how to figure out the answer at HEATING SYSTEM TYPES. If your heating system is not working properly, see NO HEAT - BOILER or NO HEAT - FURNACE. This website answers nearly all questions about central heating systems to aid in troubleshooting, inspection, diagnosis, and repairs. The photo above shows a modern automatic pressure-reducing water feeder valve on a hydronic (hot water) heating boiler - one of the safety controls which we discuss in this article. Contact us to suggest text changes and additions and, if you wish, to receive online listing and credit for that contribution. Keeping the proper amount of water in a steam boiler is a critical function for both safety and to avoid damaging the boiler itself. So on a steam boiler we consider the automatic water feeder to serve as a safety device too. Water feed valves on steam heat systems operate under very different requirements than those on hot water (hydronic) heating systems. Residential steam heating systems are mostly "low pressure" systems operating at less than 2 psi. In fact if you see the pressure set higher on a residential system it is often an indicator that the occupants/technician have been having trouble getting the steam heat to locations where it's needed. But steam heat systems all consume some water which escapes from radiator air vents during the time that the steam (heat) is first rising in the building. So unlike a hydronic water feeder, the steam boiler water feeder is going to be much busier, regularly adding makeup water to the steam boiler, but operating at low water pressures. Automatic water feeder valves on steam boilersAutomatic water feed valves on steam boilers (such as the McDonnell & Miller automatic water feeder shown at left) perform functions similar to the valve described earlier for hot water boilers. But because the steam boiler will be damaged or unsafe if its water level falls too low and because it's normal for a steam system to use (lose) water, the water feed valve on a steam boiler has to operate more often, and will be a more heavy-duty (and probably reliable) device. The black box shown in our photo at left is a Mcdonnell & Miller™ automatic water feed valve. On a signal (normally from the low water cutoff valve) the water feed valve will open to send additional makeup water into the steam boiler. Manual water feeder valves on steam boilers
This button permits overriding the automatic feature of the valve to force water into the steam boiler. But on lots of steam boilers, especially older residential units, you may find that only a manual feeder valve is installed. You'll need to use it to manually add water to the steam boiler whenever its water level is low. Below we discuss the detailed procedure for manually adding water to a steam boiler. In our photo above at automatic water feed valves, an automatic water feeder is installed. But the yellow valve handle is an manual water feeder that will bypass the automatic water feeder and force water into the boiler. On this particular system you shouldn't need to use the manual feeder lever unless the automatic feed valve is broken. As you'll see in that photo, the yellow handle is in the horizontal position, "across" the water pipe, showing that it is in the "closed" position (we're depending on the automatic feed valve). How often you'll need to manually add water to a steam boiler that lacks an automatic feeder depends on how rapidly your particular steam heating system loses water. If you are new to your particular steam heat system, you should check it's water level (and flush the low water cutoff valve) at least weekly until you know more accurately how the heating system behaves in normal use. Steam heating systems without an automatic water feeder are less safe and risk serious boiler damage should boiler water be lost and should there be no low water cutoff installed on the system. That's why all modern steam heating boilers can be expected to include at least a low water cutoff valve. Low water cutoff valves are discussed in detail at Low Water Cutoff Valves, Boilers. When, How, & How Much Water to Add to a Steam BoilerIf your steam boiler has an automatic water feeder you should see the water level always close to the fill-mark and the automatic water makeup valve will normally do this job for you. When to add water to the steam boilerIf your steam boiler has only a manual valve for adding water, until you know the system's rate of water usage, you should check the water level at least once a week during the heating season. You'll want to add water whenever the sight glass shows that the water level has dropped to the "add" mark and you should always see some water in the sight glass. How much water to add to the steam boilerThe sight glass on a steam boiler, combined with a mark or gauge usually placed on the sight glass or on the boiler body behind the glass, will show the proper level to which the steam boiler should be re-filled when it's low on water. See Sight Glass, Steam Boiler for details of this component. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about automatic or manual water feed valves used on steam boilersQuestion: what causes flooding in steam boilers?It does not say, what causes high level of water in the steam boiler. Why your boiler in the few days became overfloded. Reply: List of causes of flooded steam heating boilersAn inspection by a trained heating tech will surely be more reliable than an online guess sight-unseen, but here are some common causes of steam boiler flooding:
- Automatic water feeder bypass valve leak: if your automatic water feeder has a manual bypass loop and valve that valve might be open or leaky. Question: how does the automatic water feeder add makeup water to a steam boilerDoes the automatic water feeder on the steam boiler add water slowly to the boiler and if you have to add water manually should you add slowly when the boiler is not running. - Mary Jo Barranco Reply:Mary Jo: You can take a look at the water level in the boiler by noting the sight gauge - that vertical glass tube. There may already be a normal water level mark - if not, just put one on with a magic marker. If you should see the water level in the boiler fall say half way between that mark and the bottom of the sight glass, then I suspect the auto water feeder isn't. Otherwise it should come on by itself and restore water to the boiler as needed. Question: how to diagnose frequent on-cycling of automatic water feeder on boiler; initial dwell? dip switch settings?My new steam boiler has an auto feeder that cycles on frequently, even when the boiler has been off for hours, such as overnight. Is that normal? I am considering changing the DIP switches to change the dwell/feed but need your advice. Can you tell me if increasing the feed time would add more time between cycles? What does "initial dwell" refer to? There is no marker on the sight glass but the water generally lays at one third the twelve inch glass. I think that is low but even if I add water manually, that level is maintained after a while. - Bob Q from Brooklyn Reply: look for a leak in the steam piping, particularly the condensate piping, or possibly improperly functioning steam ventsBob Q, Reader follow-up about frequent cycling of water feeder: found leaky steam piping in hidden condensate return lineYou advice on looking for a leak in the return lead me to a length of pipe that looked like swiss cheese on close inspection. The system is over 100 years old and the old return in the basement behind a wall was leaking where I couldn't see it. I had the pipe replaced with copper and all is well. No more low water cycling. Thank you for your good advice. - Bob Q from Brooklyn Reply-DF: Thank you for the follow-up Bob, your report will help other readers who are trying to track down steam boiler water loss problems. Question: How do I know if I have a 120V Solenoid or 24V Solenoid?How do I know if I have a 120V Solenoid or 24V Solenoid? - Evan.Penalba Reply: check device labels, installation instructions, or wire diametersEvan, take a look at the information labeling on your water feeder or other device: the operating voltage will be shown. If the label has become lost you'll want to take a look at wiring and installation instructions for the device. If you don't have the installation and wiring manual for the device you (or we for you) can find that information from the manufacturer if you can identify the brand, model, or other information for the water feeder or other device. Finally, if the device is already installed and wired, just take a look at all of the wires entering the water feeder. 24V electrical wires are typically very small in diameter - typically 18-20 gauge while 120V electrical wiring will be the size of normal building electrical wiring - typically #14 or #12 copper wire. You can see photos and tables of electrical wire sizes and diameters at SE CABLE SIZES vs AMPS. Question: VXT-24 automatic water feeder from Hydrolevel - how to wire upjust installed a VXT-24 auto water feeder from hydrolevel company in the make up water line on a Pennco steam boiler. it has a mcdonnell LWCO and its a gas fired unit. i'm having trouble getting power to auto feeder. It is a millivolt system. Do i need a transformer? I'm not a wiring or controls guy, can you please help - Dan G Reply:Dan: Reader follow-up: thanks, the wiring diagram that came with the feeder matches the mcdonnell LWCO. i guess my problem is that i cant find where the power is coming from. the only wires that come into the unit is from the thermostat upstairs. it goes to the honeywell pressure switch, the gas valve, and LWCO. where do i wire the transformer from? thanks for the quick response. - Dan G. Reply: Yeah Dan, I should have mentioned that sometimes the low voltage transformer that is powering HVAC controls, thermostats, even doorbells can be hidden away in a closet somewhere, or in a ceiling. Look for an electrical junction box with a small transformer mounted on it. Also look at other controls on your heating systems - some other controls may include a LV transformer that can be used to power more devices. Reader follow-up: thank you, you've been a big help. appreciate everything Question: one pipe steam system, two boilers, Asco solenoid make up water supply troubleshootingI have a one pipe steam system with two Hydrothermal boilers. The make up water tank has a Watts Boiler Water Level Control Type D132A Model M. It is connected to the water gage and it is the device that triggers the Asco solenoid valve to add fresh water to the condensate tank. I was draining the system as part of the maintenance and knocked the valve and the body with a wrench, and as I suspected some malfunction, I could see an spark inside the electric box that controls the chamber. The box has two electric wires that are regular electric wires going in and inside there are three cables (multiple tiny hairs of copper-not solid conductor like regular electric wires). One of this cables became loose. The other two cables seem to be connected to one end on a sealed small tube containing the mercury and which acts as a trigger or contact. I managed to connect the cable to one of the other two terminals and it does open the solenoid valve, but it will not close it, then I am connecting it in a permanent open position and have no way to figure the circuit out. I presume it connects with the other two cables to the end of the tube. If that is the case, can it be repaired? This is an old system, but working perfectly, other than for this aging wiring. If you have a guide on the circuitry or any suggestion, I would appreciate it. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. Robert. Reply: Robert I'm sorry but I don't think I have a clear enough understanding of the condition of your water feed valve - it's a critical part for safe operation of the steam boiler, though you could, of course, shut it down and feed water every day or two manually - not at all convenient. If there is any doubt about the condition of the valve, I'd replace it. Question: steam boiler water feeder McDowell & MIller won't stop sending water into the boiler [McDonnell?]i have a problem with my water feeder a mcdowell & miller when it calls for water it sends it but it will not stop do i need a new water feeder??? thanks - Will Reply:Will, you might need a new automatic water feeder, but it's an expensive part to buy and install. I'd try flushing the valve thoroughly to see if that clears up the trouble. If that doesn't work, before replacing the valve ask your steam heat service tech if s/he can open and service the valve. Question: steam boiler using too much water, seems to be leaking somewhereI have a gas boiler Bryant model 234-55. The problem having is have to fill glass sigh everyday, which was every 4 plus days before.. So I used the manual fill and filled glass sight up full, and beyond, water started running out of boiler, but could not find out from where.. But boiler works and heat, but uses a lot of water. No leaks in pipes or valves on radiators. Hope you can help me, Thanks, - Mike Reply:A competent onsite inspection by an expert usually finds additional clues that help accurately diagnose a problem with the boiler piping, water feeder, condensate return, or other components that might explain the "leak" you report. That said, here are some things to consider:
Question: water is rising in boiler sight glass but I'm not adding anysight glass on steam heat furnace with indirect heater water rising
without adding it I have a manuel feed I took off union checked Reply:Harold, if your system does NOT have an automatic water feeder and you see water level apparently rising in the boiler anyway some explanations could be:
Question: boiler sight glass problems?I had a fill sight glass replaced by a service technican because it crack. Before that repair, my boiler was automatically feeding water. After the repair, it seems that I manually have to open the valve. There are three valves that are close together and seem to be connected to the same pipe. Now I have to turn my boiler on much higher than before to get it warm in the house. - Anon 10/23/12 steam boiler's sight glass is rusty and every time the boiler comes on the automatic water feeder,feeds water to the boiler filling the sight glass above the required level..i have been reading the other problems on this site ..is there a required height for the auto feeder to be installed in relation to the soght glass ? - Phil J 11/2/12 Reply:Anon: you want to call your heating service tech to have him/her show you the water feed valve setup and to check the condition of the automatic water feeder. Perhaps the sight glass repair stirred debris that has entered a valve or control. Try flushing things out. Phil, Question: Technical support telephone number for the Mcdonnell & Miller water feedersI have a mcDonnell LWCO and its a gas fired unit (Burnham), what auto water feeder should I get? I installed the McDowell & Miller water feeder, and the unit is getting power, but won't automatically feed the water when the LWCO is active. I know there is supposed to be a small delay, but even after 5 minutes, the unit is not feeding the water. The water feeder does have power, and can be manually fed if I push the button. Seems like the LWCO is not giving the signal. I have tried all the different settings on the water feeder, without luck. Any ideas? - Evan 11/28/12 Is there a support number for the mcdonnell & miller water feeders? - Evan 12/15/12 Reply:Sure, Evan. You probably had a little trouble finding the McDonnell & Miller website because of a series of name changes, additions, and modifications. McDonnell & Miller, ITT McDonnell & Miller, or McDonnell & Miller a Xylem Brand can be contacted at the company's website page dedicated to McDonnell & Miller heating system controls: http://unitedstates.xylemappliedwater.com/brands/mcdonnell-miller/ - general products http://unitedstates.xylemappliedwater.com/brands/mcdonnell-miller/low-water-cut-offs/ - low water cutoff products where you can find literature about contemporary products such as the
At the web link we give above you can find product literature about these and other McDonnell Miller controls & products. But good luck finding a technical support telephone number directly at McDonnell Miller's new website. Instead the company is going to direct you to a local sales and service provider - that may be your best bet. If you get somewhere better calling the company at the numbers we give below let us know as that result will assist other readers too. The McDonnell Miller corporate headquarters is now at XYLEM Global Headquarters, 1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604, Tel: +1-914-323-5700, Fax: +1-914-323-5800 Ask a Question or Search InspectApediaQuestions & answers or comments about how and when to use and maintain the water feed valve on steam boilers Ask a Question or Enter Search Terms in the InspectApedia search box just below. Technical Reviewers & ReferencesRelated Topics, found near the top of this page suggest articles closely related to this one.
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