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This article describes how to recognize & evaluate the safety of antique gas fixtures and piping that may be found in historic homes or other older buildings.

Here we provide descriptions and photographs of unsafe gas piping, indications of unsafe or improperly operating gas appliances, gas meters, and other gas installation defects are provided

This document series on inspecting gas piping in buildings also provides free sample draft home inspection report language for reporting defects in oil and gas piping at residential properties.

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How to inspect, report, & correct antique or old gas lighting piping & fixtures

Photograph of gas lighting in a pre-1900 home

Gas piping in older buildings may have been cut-off from its source, re-used for electrical wiring, or, surprise, antique gas piping is sometimes found still connected and "live"!

When inspecting an older New York home we demonstrated that simply turning a small key on the wall fixture shown in the photo permitted lighting an antique gas light that was installed before 1900.

Watch out: improper installation and even improper inspection and testing methods involving natural or "LP" gas can involve dangerous conditions and risk fire or explosion.

If you smell gas you should leave the building immediately and should do so without doing anything that could create a spark such as operating a light switch or telephone.

From a safe location, call your gas company's emergency line and/or your fire department.

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Antique gas lighting Samuel Morse Home Poughkeepsie NY (C) Daniel Friedman

Gas Fixtures & Piping in Historic & other Older Homes

Evaluating old gas lighting and other gas fixtures and fittings in older homes.

It may be possible to make safe use of gas lighting in homes, both indoors and out, provided that the piping and fixtures have been installed according to contemporary building codes and that the piping and fixtures are in good condition.

But here we address the discovery of antique gas lights and piping in homes.

Antique gas light wall sconce Samuel Morse Home Poughkeepsie NY (C) Daniel Friedmanh

Generally such fixtures and pipes should be considered a safety hazard, unless the system has been thoroughly inspected and brought to modern safety standards.

Our photo (above) and the next wall-mounted antique gas-light shown below illustrates an intact wall lighting sconce located in the Samuel Morse Home in Poughkeepsie, NY.

The photographs of various antique and even historic gas lights as well as remains of wall-mounted gas lights in other older buildings found in this article are a reminder that a building owner or her home inspector should never assume that old gas lines in a building are no longer connected to a gas source.

Photograph of antique gas light fixture still in use indoors


Watch Out: don't assume that all "old or antique gas pipes" in a building have been actually disconnected from the gas supply.

The photograph at the top of this page shows our discovery of an antique indoor gas lighting fixture which was being used as a towel rack. The building owner had always assumed the gas piping was inactive.

The photo above shows another type of wall mounted gas light, also in the Samuel Morse historic homestead in Poughkeepsie, NY.

While the gas piping routes in some older Victorian homes have often been converted to use for electrical wiring, often we've been surprised to find that supposedly long-abandoned gas fixtures, pipes, and fittings, are actually still active, and potentially dangerous.

These photographs show still-active gas-lighting piping in homes built around 1900, with the gas fittings still active nearly 100 years later!

A child pulling on the towel on that funny "towel rack" could have resulted in a catastrophe.

Gas to Electric Light Conversion in an 1880s Arkansas Home

These photos, provided courtesy of an InspectApedia.com reader illustrate the conversion of a ceiling-mounted gas-lit chandelier to electricity in an Arkansas home built in the 1880s. We don't have more-precise dates on the conversion.

Electric chandelier in the ceiling of an 1880s Arkansas home (C) InspectApedia.com RnT

Above the chandelier is almost certainly a modern light fixture; the original would probably have had fewer bulbs.

Below you can see the electrical wiring that was installed alongside the original gas piping protruding from the ceiling of this room.

Gas light converted to electricity (C) InspectApedia.com RnT

In this instance the wires to the ceiling light were routed alongside the original gas piping.

Original Gas Lighting Piping in a Toronto Row House - 1888

2021/05/04 - why would they need 2 terminations of plumbing in each living and dining room ceilings?

We’ve demolished the seemingly original plaster and lath ceiling in our home (1888, row house, Toronto).

Gas light piping in an 1888 Toronto row house (C) InspectApedia.com NH

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We have uncovered these metal pipes. They appear to come up from the basement in the wall and then service the living room and dining room, with terminations in the middles of the rooms and the edges. They don’t turn up to go upstairs.

It seems strange that they are defunct, since this space shouldn’t have been accessible if the ceiling was original.

Are they some pre-knob and tube electrical? Oil? (some kind of ancient sprinkler…?) Some kind of grounding system?

Gas light piping in an 1888 Toronto row house (C) InspectApedia.com NH

They don’t appear to be plumbing - why would they need 2 terminations of plumbing in each living and dining room ceilings.

Very curious! Let me know if you have any insight. - Anonymous by private email

Moderator reply

My guess is that those are black iron gas pipes from a gas-lighting system in your building, possibly dating from before the knob-and-tube electrical wiring was installed.

Those pipes about the right size, age, material, and location, and it's perhaps no coincidence that when the K&T wiring was later run for electric lights the installer chose about the same routing location for that wiring.

In some older buildings the electricians installing electric lights actually made use of the gas pipes as electrical conduit; Your piping is small in diameter and may have not been suitable for that conversion; it's also the case that in
some buildings both electric and gas lighting remained in use together for a time.

Gas light piping in an 1888 Toronto row house (C) InspectApedia.com NH

The reason for two terminations of this piping in each living room and dining room ceiling would have been to provide better lighting by feeding two gas light fixtures.

When your 1888 Toronto home was built, electric lighting in Toronto was just nine years old, while gas lighting using coal gas distributed by pipelines in the city saw use beginning in December 1841.

Although the City of Toronto began replacing those flickering gas lamps by electric street lights in 1880, progress was slow and in most homes as well as along streets, gas distribution for lighting remained in use in the 1880s. The first occupants of your home may have watched in the evening as gas lamp-lighters, employed by the Consumer's Gas Company, as they went methodically from one street lamp to another, igniting coal gas street lights.

Toronto Hydro didn't begin public-distribution of electricity intended for home use until May 2, 1911, so it's entirely reasonable that your home would have made use of gas lights and then later, both gas and electric lighting and perhaps candles or kerosene lanterns as well during its early life.

Widespread use of electric lighting in Canadian homes didn't really take off until after 1900, with a surge in use of electricity in Ontario beginning after completion of the electric power generators at Niagara Falls in 1906.

According to toronto.ca historical information,

Electric lighting was first witnessed in Toronto in 1879 at McConkey's Restaurant, located at 145 Yonge Street. To the delight of customers, the restaurant was lit up by two arc lamps powered by a small generator driven by a portable steam engine. Wright built the first Canadian-made electric generator in 1881. - "Turning On Toronto: Setting the Scene", toronto.ca/ retrieved 2021/05/11

City of Toronto, 512 Front St. 27 August 1914, building inteirior, from "Turning On Toronto: Setting the Scene - toronto.ca retrieved 2021 05 11 at InspectApedia.com

Notice in this toronto.ca photograph (above) from the City of Toronto archives that in this home, rear 512 Front Street, photographed in August 1914, the occupants were still making use of kerosene oil lamps for lighting. We see at least two oil lamps at the right side of this photo.

History of Gas & Electric Lighting

Grafton writes about an early gas lighting system explosion - cited & discussed at InspectApedia.com

Illustration: Grafton's 1820 discussion of a gas light system explosion.

Old or Abandoned Gas Piping & Fixtures: safety warnings

Immediate LP or natural gas safety hazards: if there is evidence of an LP or natural gas leak at a building, gas odors, for example, you should:

Heating equipment which the inspector (or building occupant or manager) judges to be an immediate life safety hazard should be shut down and appropriate emergency services called.

See GAS LEAK DETECTION, LP / NG for leak detection procedures and alternatives.

Other LP & Natural Gas Home Safety recommendations

 




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On 2022-12-28 22:51:13.976810 by InspectApedia Publisher (mod)

@Gina S,

History of antique gas lights and how they were ignited.

For high gas lights such as on lamp posts or hanging fixtures, an igniter was lifted on a long pole. Gas street lights in London were common beginning in the first decade of the 19th century - ca 1810, and were lit by the famous "gaslighter" who used an eight-foot pole.

Atop the pole was simply a small torch.

Some high wall-mounted gas fixtures were also lit by climbing a ladder but you'll understand that that would have been a bit unwieldy for street lighting.

It would be kind of you to share some history, a description of your product, and what else you have found about the history of gas lights in Europe, the U.K., North America, etc.

On 2022-12-28 20:02:17.610677 by Gina S

@InspectApedia Publisher,

Thank you so much! And what would they do to light a gasolier, or a fixture hanging high in a ceiling?

On 2022-12-28 19:40:10.210009 by InspectApedia Publisher (mod)

@Trevor,

On 2022-12-28 19:38:09.602251 by InspectApedia Publisher (mod)

@Trevor,

That's very interesting, thank you for the additional photo.

So if that gas light is still live and working, would I be correct that that white material around it is some type of light shade?

If so do we know it's age?

In your second photo I THINK I see a gas lantern mantle that actually provides air to the gas supply to support the gas light flame. This type of gas light - if that's what we're seeing, produces much more light output than would a simple bare gas flame like that shown in some of the other antique gaslight fixtures on this page.

Seems to me that both the gas mantle and the light shade itself must be made of asbestos or another non-combustible material.

Gas Mantles are still sold for use in gas lamps, such as this example from Auerbach.

On 2022-12-28 19:30:41.078968 by InspectApedia Publisher (mod)

@Gina S,

and of course, the gas supply into the building must also be turned on.

Other photos of gas light fixtures and controls are on this page.

On 2022-12-28 19:29:53.567618 by InspectApedia Publisher (mod)

@Gina S,

In two photos we'll show here you'll see that each gas light fixture includes a key that is turned to open or close the gas supply.

On 2022-12-28 18:53:33.523049 by Gina S

hi - Research question here, but what was the most common way to turn on a gasolier that was hanging high in a hall, around 1910? Was there a button or key on a wall that would've done that?

On 2022-09-29 05:07:16.732233 by Trevor

Will add another photo , is a wall mounted gas light in Hervey bay Qld Australia , around 30 years old

On 2022-09-28 12:20:44.379118 by InspectApedia (Editor) (mod)

@Trevor Savill,

Sorry, I can't say anything useful without at least some contextual information about your image.

All I can see is what looks like a rectangular fabric-like cover over something unknown, with a metal base that might be on a wall or floor, and a stub of what might be a bit of pipe or something else sticking out of what looks like a ceramic tile covered surface.

It's as if you said "there's something in my house, what is it, what do I do with it, how does it work?"

Tell me, for example,

What are we looking at:

is this a shade or cover over an electric light bulb
mounted on a wall?
mounted at an old gas pipe?
Is there gas service in the building?
Is there an electric light bulb inside that fixture?
Is there a gas jet inside that fixture?
Is this in a home or commercial building?
What are the country and city of location?
What is the building age?

On 2022-09-27 22:55:48.901252 by Trevor Savill

Would like to identify this product please , and possibly service instructions

On 2022-03-29 22:50:40.132333 by Inspectapedia Com Moderator (mod)

@Tamara,

That could be an old gas valve.

On 2022-03-29 20:48:17.884690 by Tamara

I have this in my bathroom right above my floor on the baseboard anyone know what this is

On 2021-09-06 00:30:59.586031 by inspectapedia.com.moderator (mod)

@ownsmoneypit,

A ceiling fan requires a special, strong ceiling mounting box that is secured to building framing.

To connect a fan hanger box to an unused, abandoned pipe in a ceiling, you'd want to know exactly the routing of the pipe and how it is in turn secured to building framing.

On 2021-09-05 23:59:49.297124 by ownsmoneypit

I have an old house that has old gas line pipes in ceiling for fixtures, is there any way that I can attach a ceiling fan to the pipe instead of putting in a fan brace?
 


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